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summed up as: Isaac Masso - Russia 1637 --KOBE South Hroznyi 1637 Propulsion
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DC One thing close on sense and location - Ograina Dikoia.
Wild outskirts, sub-Ryazanii and Jinsha Black sea. Precisely from this name and harks back Ukraine its modern name. And logic in this there is and peg to terrain. Ukraine this outskirts Hroznyi and nothing more. Little moreover, this not name countries, and name piece of land, located on territory modern eastern Ukraine.

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Volyniya, and east of - Krymiya. No "Ukraine" there is no and in speak of, on fragment more late-maps Russia.
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Over 23 years Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square), on Ukraine grew two generations two knuckleheads, which learn here is on such meant:
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As in 6 st century called to the West Sea?
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From what Peninsula Crimea called Mass Media on Crimea?

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https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/enlarge/31057

Map, written verification year, 12.500 dollars the price.
Just 450 years map.
No Ukraine, no of Kyiv.
About what such "Kievan Rus" us ontological historians?
Kyiv can be see in 17 st century. But this same a clear contradiction official history. Hugh mistake in several centuries get back a little

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Between Bottom and Arzamasom there is OK / Afghan the station Cheremas (in Arzamassky district Nizhny Novgorod area)
Picturesque place, mostly wood and on mushrooms. More nowhere now Cheremasov there is no.
For me very surprisingly, that on ancient maps meets such land - Cheremasiya (out through-the messiah)

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Dmitry" wrote:

More nowhere now Cheremasov there is no

czeremissa = category: Mari people

And still I found cues)
So this looks today
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So this looks on old map
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dmitr wrote:

czeremissa = category: Mari people
And still I found cues)


Category: Mari people, yes, agree, this mariytsy. Strange that relicts from in ???????? 2,133.6 meters gave name such a large territory.
And here is on this map "cheremise Gorni" (Trekking?) are already on right Bank Volga. And on left "cheremise lowgovoi" (meadow) https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/enlarge/37219 Skyfall all likelihood, ignorance drafters carte was very valid, due to lack of information, roads, ties. No mountains on right Bank Volga Price't sp.
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On this map Kyiv there is KIOU. https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/enlarge/37219 He is together with freight on Dnieper River. Speech writer maps was am confident, that Smolensk much bigger exercised of Kyiv and that both includes in composition Lithuania.
An artist clearly drawn from heads on gaining managerial skills. In his view, Ob follows from Aral sea and quite a small. But Tashkent is worth on great River, which ultimately through Ob is lapsing in the northern Sea.
Points out on themselves attention image of the Solovey-robber and the men they hanged people on trees behind him.
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And Kyiv CHIOUIA - Chihuahua. This interestingly on what language then composed this would mean map?

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Dmitry" wrote:

Map Ukraine


How and when appeared word "Ukraine"?

Oukrainami (" ukrainami "," ukraynami ") with XII on the seventeenth-centuries 'The New House '. Various frontier land Russias. In River) letopisi under 6695 (55435) year mentioned we have "oukraina", under 6697 (1189) year. - Galician "oukraina", under 6721 (varied) - are allocated frontier cities this Ukrainian Galician "oukrainy": Brest, Ugrovsk, Vereschin, the Pillar of, Komov. In I Pskov letopisi under 6779 (1271) - states about home villages Pskov "BULA." In Russo-Lithuanias treaties XV digits Influence "vkrainnye seats", "Ukrainye seats", "Vkrainyi seats", under whom well understood Smolensk, Lyubutsk, Mtsensk Urban Okrug. In the treaty two Ryazan, Russia of princes and other Propulsion Called the "our sela in Mordve on Tsna River and on Ukraine."

In respect route by the-Crimean border with of the late XV digits Also stated: "Ukraine", "Our BULA", "our ukrainnye seats." In 1565 Propulsion Was composed "we can in from ukrainykh cities from polskiya BULA on Pine, on charges of, on the Sword and on different rechkam." Along with "Crimean Tatars in the ukrainami" existed also "Kazan Liberation ukraina" and "the German ukraina." Documents of the late XVI digits Report about "Ukrainian service" Moscow his people: "And Ukraines voevodam all in all Ukrainian gorodekh sovereign had instructions stand on their place on the former paintings and in social them be on the former Luster on army of; and as will arrival military people on the so BULA, and sovereign had instructions Sumy in best in Ukrainian shelf." In Russian legislation the seventeenth-digits Often influence "Ukraine", "Ukraynye gorody", "the so Ukrayny", "Our Ukrayny", "Ukraynye / Ukrainian gorody increasing field", "Ukraynskie gorody", states about stays military people "on princes service on Ukraine." The notion of this - extremely widespread:. " In Siberia and in Astrakhan and in other long drives Ukrainnye gorody. " However in the Moscow state with Gundelik XV-XVI centuries There was and Ukraine in narrow sense words - Okskaya Ukraine ("Ukraine for Way down", "Crimean ukraina"). In Russian legislation XVI-the seventeenth-centuries Repeatedly long list cities such Ukrayny: Tula, Kashira-2, Krapivna, Tula Oblast, Aleksin, Serpukhov, Torusa, Odoev. Along with it there was and) away from Kiev Ukraine of the Moscow state.

In late XVI - I half of the seventeenth-digits Word "Ukraine" in narrow sense words also have become does land Middle works from these regions - central area modern Ukraine. In Polish sources (royal and getmanskikh - So why don't) influence "castles and seats our Ukraynye", "seats and places Ukrainnye", "Ukraine Kyiv." In Russian legislation the seventeenth-digits Appear "Ukraine Ukrainian", "Ukraine, which known maloyu Russia", pravoberezhe of Dnepr was called "Polish Ukraynoy." Malo-Russia and) away from Kiev Ukraine in Russian legislation clearly were rigidly separated: "Malorossiyskikh cities inhabitants arrive in Moscow's city state and in Ukrainnye gorody."

Ancient Wkrzanie

The inhabitants border ukrain
In River) letopisi under 6776 (it's going) Propulsion Influence inhabitants the Polish Frontier Research Centre - "Lyakhove oukrainyane" (. " And zane announcement byakhout petitioned them Lyakhove oukrainyane "). In Russo-Lithuanias treaties and coming documents the mid-XV - I-thirds XVI centuries Are called "vkrainnye people", "Ukrainye our people", "ukrainnye servant", "ukrainnye people", "ukrainniki", camping on E. Inhabitants us, Lyubutska, Mtsenska. In Polish documents since the late XVI digits Smith "community our Ukraynye", "pany Voivod and community Ukrainnye", "people Ukrainnye", "the young Ukrainnye", "Kozaki Ukrainnye", "Ukrainnye senators." In such a naming not was no ethnic spin. In documents also influence "Ukrainian ratnye people" and "Ukrainnye seats" the Crimea city.

Inhabitants Russias still'The New House '. Themselves Russians, so same their'The New House'. And inoplemenniki. In Polish and Russians sources the same time are called "church HSIIDC" in Lutsk, "Churches Ruthenian" and "reliya [, ]Ruskaya", and also "people our Ruskiy" (here same - "the young tuteyshie Ukrainnye"), "Rusin", "People Ruskie", "Russian people." In the text Hadyatskyi treaty Ivan Vyhovsky with Poland states about population Ukraine as about the "people office Slavic" and "rossiyanakh." Subjects feel of the Moscow state (so same: "Russian people", "your great sovereign ratnye people, Russian and Cossacks."

In the Moscow state "how Ukrainians view" initially was called military people (border guards), bringing service on Oka Ukraine - in the Top and the Middle Oka River - against Kahnate of the Crimea. In March 1648. Moscow dumnyy Deac Ivan Gavrenyov wrote in digit order note to about preparation to report series of affairs, in which, in particular, under sixth point was in said: "Ukrainians, who why lives, not keep and their to float." Word "Ukrainians" dumnyy Deac raze not clarified; obviously, in Moscow it was on vengeance and in our opinion not needed. That it meant, becomes clear from subsequent documents. Spring 1648. In ties with rumours about ahead attack Kahnate of the Crimea onto Moscow's borders was declared collection military people ukrainnykh cities - Tula, Kashira-2, Koslow, Tarusa Urban Settlement, Beleva, Principality of Briansk, Karacheva, Mtsenska. In nakaze voevodam Buynosovu-of Rostov and Velyaminovu from 8 on May, last on report to clerk Gavrenyova, in particular, was said:. " In those cities voevodam you know, signing over same, to Voivod children seigniorial and noblemen and curiously his people on gosudarevu service returned to them instantly. " On service of the Moscow state in 1648. Already were staffed Malo-Russia Cossacks, but they (not "how Ukrainians view", and "cherkasami" (about them also states in memo Gavrenyova).

Use words "Ukrainians" in the Moscow state not later II than half XVI digits In sight of what in Ryazan, Russia payments books Boleio-1,597 devolving Influence Ukraintsovy - nobles Kamensky mill Pronskiy the county. In letter missive 1607 Propulsion Mentioned sluzhilyy man Grigory Ivanov son Ukraintsov, rebuffed from czar Vasily Shuisky image Eban projected in Ryazhsky the busiest (modern seed investment fund area). Well known also dumnyy Deac E. I. Ukrainians (more correctly: Ukraintsov; ramparted-1708), the clerk in 1,700 Propulsion Archbishops peace treaty Russia with Ottoman empire. In 1694 Propulsion Yemelyan Ukraintsov averaged for rated orders lineage while aspiring kind of Ukraintsovykh, in accordance with which founder reverie attended by was Ryazan a nobleman the mid-XVI digits Fedor Andreev son Lukin on nickname doubting person; his father was "ispomeschen on Ryazan", i.e. several east of ordination cities Oka Ukrayny, in a result what and could arise had a distinguished nickname "doubting person", and then and surname "Ukraintsovy." Likely, however doubting person not was figure mythological: Precisely his grandchildren refer in books Boleio-1,597 devolving, and great-grandson - in letter missive 1607 Propulsion

Itself Okskaya Ukraine were formed maybe still for Defense from Khanate of the Golden Horde and acquired special significance with starters XVI digits In ties with frequent occupation Kahnate of the Crimea. In 1492 Propulsion "came totarovya on Ukraine on oleksinskie seats." "Voivod ukrainnye and people", successfully otrazivshie also clear-fulfilling run "on great of the ukraynu on category: Tula, Russia seats", influence already in letter missive 1517 Propulsion Against Kahnate of the Crimea in 1507-1529 devolving In Tula, Kashira-2, Zarayske, features exclusively designed interiors were erected fortress, stationed permanent garrisons secured the border, ukrainnym his followers was estates. In 24-during devolving Active fighting turned around east of - under Pronskiy (on Ryazanschine), that could lead to moves there parts of ukrainnykh noblemen.

In II half of the seventeenth-digits Sluzhilye people Oka Ukrayny - "Ukrainians children was" and "Ukrainians nobles" - influence in Russian legislation highly often. In two about Azovskii back of a "Ukrainians" influence in the same sense ("evo the so people ukraintsy", "Voivod the so people Ukrainians", "evo the so people Russian Ukrainians"). In bit book, perepisannoy in II half of the seventeenth-digits, confessed of: "And Old tsar in Crimea before him in the other Thursday on Wielice days, and my on thin waters, and under ukraintsov floated Mirza (disambiguation) applications where higher or three with small people languages had been mined and pro czar and great of the checked." Inhabitants ["how Ukrainians view" not was called. For example, in Dvinskoy letopisi under 1679 Propulsion Features "kim malorossiyanin yes Constantine doubting person."

On least advance on south Russian borders word "Ukrainians" with Oka River is spreading and on border his people Slobids'ka Ukrayny. In 1723 Propulsion Peter Grand mentions "Ukraintsov Azov and Kievan counties of" - ukrainnykh his people, in including and with Slobids'ka Ukrayny. Under this he clearly distinguishes their from "Malorossiyskogo people." In gas - 1731 Propulsion On Neiaiaeaiueia has become appeared Ukrainian line, defended Russian borders from Kahnate of the Crimea. Anonymous the author "Caienee about how much I Why you about Crimean and Tatar campaigns", a participant a hike 1736 Propulsion Against Kahnate of the Crimea, wrote about how Tatars encountered in with "our lungs, troops (Zaporozhtsami and the Ukrainians)." Under s proposal to Empress Elizabeth Petrovna from "Ukraintsov" were being shelved Slobids'ka landmilitsii. In 1765 Propulsion Here was established) away from Kiev Ukrainian Uusimaa (the so terminal was called Kharkvska Uusimaa in 1765-1780 and 1797-1835 devolving In 1816-1819 devolving Under perevody University were issued highly popular "Ukranskiy messenger."

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Dmitry" wrote:

Wu Buddha were Ukrainian roots

:crazyfun:
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Newspaper "Voice of Ukraine"
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People,. Quit it, with lubochnymi now!
Imagine, that our descendants forced to on fragments in from Red Soft-alerta history so, recreate.

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tuareg wrote:

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One is, that genuine history parsing of have repeatedly? And that increasingly past have us under veil mystery and known only tertiary ierarkham occupiers?

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tuareg wrote:

"the,. Quit it, with lubochnymi now.

Lubochnyy - kind of graphics, image of the with signature, is simplicity and accessibility images.
Is obtained, that forum, too, lubochnyy. On come Red circle right pasted, increasingly, Lubok have)
tuareg, and somehow cards trust, cards-formulas the numbers under modern textbooks history or there is other options?

I think, that here is here http://lithuanianmaps.com/ here http://old-map.narod.ru/ and importantly here https://www.raremaps.com/ the receipts not so many. Of course, there is maps, which were not in an independent order, and under a particular feature task, but the overall average picture, incapable more less an exact, and she certainly is faring in rupture with the official history.

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Love military derzhitsya look

Here is bond, which Germans ass podtyorli. The price 50 kopecks.
Bandera with co-players came with this paper exhorts lvovskomu gaulyayteru, over him had a good laugh and in prison have been

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Signs and symbols

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Muzychko for souls.
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Thank you tobi my God oaia? I vropets

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Map Ukraine


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http://vkraina.com/ru/welcome
Site Vkraina multimedia online the presentation of the, created by on the basis of private collections European carte XVI-the eighteenth UF.
Presentation created on the basis of private collections Andrei Osadchuka, member rule companies Kyivstar. Collector provided authorization on download on parts of its collections, which now for around about 200 original ancient carte, concerning territory modern Ukrainian land.

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MucmepX wrote:

http://vkraina.com/ru/welcome
Site Vkraina

Liked that maps written on Ukrainian language. Map under number 1742, immediately two dialect Ukrainian Ucranie and Ukraina. The puzzle, then whether have Crane's, then whether have administration. Ukrainian music of course liked particularly.

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On this subject can be to speak forever! And, boys, believe me, will learn so much a new and interesting things :canthearyou:. And "svidomye" Ukrainians in this all believe. Believe, that their language and history appropriated Qur were Russians. Of course such a bit, until still a bit, but if such "textbooks" will with kindergarten tends our children, army idiots will grow very quickly.
http://caxapa.ru/529390.html
http://medeyko.com/wp/istukr.jpg
And such historians and scientists pond he
h t t p :/ /www.ualberta.ca/~khineiko/NG_93_95/1145058.htm
http://mikle1.livejournal.com/211558.html

MucmepX, Hi Countryman!

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