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MucmepX wrote:

decent maps until not come across.


Enough look at-century - cities in fundamentally which zashito so or otherwise the soldiers drag, Dragged - than 10 minutes, Volochek, Vologda, the same the great territory can be volokim Novgorod. Have only fact that the water evaporating and rivers drain with a huge speed, and that there yes as this would still that water in Europe tread

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Close enough look at-century - cities in fundamentally which zashito so or otherwise the soldiers drag, Dragged - than 10 minutes, Volochek, Vologda, the same the great territory can be volokim Novgorod. Have only fact that the water evaporating and rivers drain with a huge speed, and that there yes as this would still that water in Europe tread


If arises settlement with entitled Volochok, then this means, that level of water mirrors fell, and ships already women were on dryer.
Populated clauses, in the title which present the word Dragged (89 Vyshny Volochok, Volochkovo, Vlakovo, Vawkavysk, Volok, Volokovo, Volok Lamskiy) emerge in XV century on the borders aquatic pathways.
The, that in XIV century the main activities Hanseatic merchants focused in Greater Novgorod and Pskov is indication, that maritime ships already could not by the time walk to Volga-and Shklov.

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MucmepX wrote:

St. Sophia Cathedral 1045 1050 years
Nikolo-Dvorischenskiy Cathedral 1113 got years
Georgievskii Cathedral both 1,130 years
Cathedral of Christmas of the Virgin carry 1117 1125 years


Temples look it's magnificent though and rooms:, but. Unfortunately them not on 9 centuries, and in 2-3 times less.
If there is no, then share photo placard dates assemble. There is no such placard?
Or can be there is replicates with copies of the original letopisi, which on-rotted away in a fire?
Any brands themselves cultural center, in have order UDREVNIT their most recent architectural treasures.

In as an example can be lead the next assertion:
I I shall state himself principle.
Suppose have you there is a pound of gold, you like it or his sell, but unfortunately, you can for him bail out only those money, how many and is worth a pound and a half gold.
That can be done in conditions, when you, to the same even and Jew?
Can be make some from this gold jewelry, bribe a couple "historians" and "experts", they'll write stories, "two were" their on a skeleton existing stories (Ofitsialnoy of History. And Oh. Happened "miracle." Now you you can sell their 500 grams in 25 times more expensive, because these jewelry suddenly proved "ancient skifskimi treasures."
Chip in is, that NEVOZMOZhNO determine AGE METALLA, but perhaps write lzheekspertnoe opinion, that this do perhaps. Chip in is, that impossible determine, prejudice precisely slap belonged ever the or another bracelet, but perhaps about this write and manufacturing the very "face."
Here is so create democracies artificial market, which is called viewpoint Antiquities, numuzmatika,
Gold sell it is no fun, and here is if preratit his in at face value Traian Gaius Messius Quintus Traianus Decius or for example ring emperor Augustus, then is obtained badass badassery right there.

Or even example. Draw it black squaring, triangular face or square male gender the cock. Hire "an esteemed expert", which will tell that this closet is) high art. Now, can be push this an abomination on five million dollars. Increasingly, created a new market money.
Logic is understandable?

Or, create religion, call its Allah-akbar, and importantly. Napizdit according, that she ancient Christianity. And now can be, create various schemes manipulation herds people, to they paid you taxes. Again same bapki.
Can be build Shrine for departure religious cult of, through generation say parishioners, that Shrine to an ancient, the next generation even can argue, and even through 30 years all and forget, that any there disputes had place. Most importantly, on time [Narrating]Hiding the board with date assemble, else - already details.

Need understanding of the most principle
Other please three movie although would.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHz9rvjefbI 13. Fabrication recorded sources
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHX4PCZfQko 14. Arts and crafts, and Toys
And can be and just one, importantly understand principle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYC8c_Ltb4 15. Three great terminate their activity

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MucmepX wrote:

To wonder nothing need not
From urban fortifications persisted shafts.


Antitank or protivopavodkovye??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYC8c_Ltb4 - stop sign frame on 10 :4 7 - sic heil and "authentic schemes"

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Dmitry" wrote:

Illy, create religion, call its Allah-akbar, and importantly. Napizdit according, that she ancient Christianity.


Or create religion, call its Christianity or Orthodox Christianity, and then to tell according, that she were far through not applies to Judaism or "Allah-Akbar", being type the most an independent and the correct. And then can be nail the on throne curiously uncircumcised oligofrenov-worthless bugger-mullah puppets, asserting suckers, that the entire power from some "God", and force their remain obedient to and doing jobs on some ve specifically for suckers "country-homeland" with any marionette Putin or Obama in "the head." Is true?

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MucmepX wrote:

What, that in XIV century the main activities Hanseatic merchants focused in Greater Novgorod and Pskov is indication, that maritime ships already could not by the time walk to Volga-and Shklov


Is true about this and'm talking about. Until obmeleniya rivers W. Novgorod was village. Judge the early "droughts" can be on anniversaries founding cities - Volokov, however where their certainly to know :)

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Dmitry" wrote:

Temples look it's magnificent though and rooms:, but. Unfortunately them not on 9 centuries, and in 2-3 times less.
If there is no, then share photo placard dates assemble. There is no such placard?
Or can be there is replicates with copies of the original letopisi, which on-rotted away in a fire?
Any brands themselves cultural center, in have order UDREVNIT their most recent architectural treasures.


Most churches have accurate calendar letopisnye dates time their build.
If arise questions the on is unknown whom and when imprisonment annals, then can be will then turn to scientific exploration.
In temples until us came close wooden design (around lezhni stone foundation and ties within stone walls), which could sooruzhatsya only during construction the most buildings. On patterns full spilov from a lag and beams ties can be conduct dendrokhronologicheskiy analysis and determine date build.

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Dmitry" wrote:

antitank or protivopavodkovye??


Antitank shafts and protivopavodkovye towers

http://www.nortfort.ru/novgorod/img/novgorod_kreml-51.jpg

Archaeological research show, that track fortifications Okolnogo cities (Ostroh) situation, likely, between 1,270 Propulsion (when close punktirnyy plan fortifications for two sides Volkhov, Russia) and 1361 Propulsion (when this track has become along the powerful shaft mounting and surrounded rows before them). Construction Okolnogo cities lasted some 40 years (with 1361 on 1401 Propulsion After facilities shaft (Temic more 11 kilometers) and very useful Fieldworks (military) complex strengthened there inserts proezzhimi towers (more 40). Within rings shaft traced individual tracts of early tree-earthmoving fortifications.

Dmitry" wrote:

"authentic schemes"


This quotation from books Fomenko A. T. And Nosovsky) G. W. "Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land? "
1.4. Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia still in the seventeenth-century was written simply okolotkom
Here was built it. Reportedly the next: For XVI the seventeenth-centuries start government continued to look after Oh maintaining Geological Philaret in due extent defense capabilities [22], sec. 1213. Note speech goes precisely aboutOstrog (fortress), not about Kremlin or detintse.

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MucmepX wrote:

Most churches have accurate calendar letopisnye dates time their build.
If arise questions the on is unknown whom and when imprisonment annals, then can be will then turn to scientific exploration.
In temples until us came close wooden design (around lezhni stone foundation and ties within stone walls), which could sooruzhatsya only during construction the most buildings. On patterns full spilov from a lag and beams ties can be conduct dendrokhronologicheskiy analysis and determine date build.


Unfortunately this not so.
Where are accompanying letopisi majority these Churches?
Their there, they "turned sour,." Then on "burned" "annals" someone wrote "copies", made ostensibly with copies of.

"Scientific exploration", "tree-ring dating tests", repeat By SOZhALENIYu, this such same evidence, as opinion "experts" on the lunar fraud or Luganskomu Ila.

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Dmitry" wrote:

"Scientific exploration", "tree-ring dating tests", repeat By SOZhALENIYu, this such same evidence, as the ". Experts" on the lunar fraud or Luganskomu Ila.


Dendrochronology scientific disciplineabout methods dating events, natural phenomena, of archaeological treasures finds and ancient hyphenated, based on study annual pass rings timber.
http://www.wageningenur.nl/upload_mm/8/4/b/9a3c4c25-51ae-4350-a994-419e0c50dbbd_overlappingtechnique2_490x330.jpg

Installation-authors "New of chronology" reflect state of tree-ring dating on 60 70s years 20th century, while over the past 40 years methods dating substantially advanced in direction increasing accuracy datirovok hyphenated. In recent years is used X-ray analysis annual pass rings, allowing account for not only wide rings, but and other parameters (for example ,-timber in the ring).
Because the clearest dendroshkaly not depend on adopted historical of chronology (the so as are based on annual rings trees and Shengavit on now living trees), their use excludes opportunity vicious circle in datirovkakh.

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Dmitry" wrote:

Mister, please, very you am asking, other Friday the 13th (
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL 991MTMseLU (Serie films on New of chronology. History: Science or and doom fantasy?)


Film Ministry 6. History: Science or and doom fantasy? Mr. Grand Novgorod: Who you?
This hypothesis authors "them" izlojena in book Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land?
The main arguments authors built on ignoring or reckless disregard for facts and nedobrosovestnom quoting recorded sources.

. ? wrote:

, Chapter 1. Where was in chronicle Grand Novgorod?
1.1. That we know about Greater Novgorod from chronicles
Known, that throughout history as Kievan, so and Vladimiro-Suzdal Russias, great Princes UNINTERRUPTED and on away for times traveled in Novgorod. Grand Novgorod and Moscow was banding the Great Navvies [38], sec. 13. Let us consider at what same road in liela century people traveled from Moscow, Rostova, Vladimir, category: Pereslavl-Zalessky, Kostroma in Grand Novgorod and back? Until now there glass, along seats.
.....
Even and today path from Moscow until volkhovskogo Novgorod was would virtually stands impassable, not whether there bulk material iron roads and motorway.


http://www.petrograd.biz/maps/no.jpg
with from Moscow until Novgorod passes on Valdai hills.

. ? wrote:

, Chapter 1. Where was in chronicle Grand Novgorod?
1.1. That we know about Greater Novgorod from chronicles

So, for example, in 1259 year brothers in 1162 in ???? and employees and in Rostov Alexander Nevsky, ostanavlivavshegosya there the driveway from Novgorod in Vladimir, see Complete Collection of Russian Chronicles, camping on 1, sec. 203, 226; camping on 15, sec. 401. Therefore, city Rostov Grand (Yaroslavl area) resides on the way from you Great Novgorod in Vladimir. After all in letopisi directly said ZAEKhAL software DOROGE. Until here nothing the bizarre there is no. This, of course, a hook, but not very big.
But here is still one example. In Lireno year the great Prince Vasily Vasilyevich was broken under Rostov Grand prince Mayor Yuri, after what escaped in Grand Novgorod, and made there in Kostroma (river) and the Bottom Novgorod [3], sec. 85. Through some time, in same year, Prince Vasily Diagon becoming poidya (from Moscow) to Novgorod the Great and ottole to Kostroma (river) and treatise sbirati howling [3], sec. 85. So, we see that:
Grand NOVGOROD was ON twin-IZ MOSKVY In KOSTROMU.
And also:
Grand NOVGOROD was ON twin-IZ Rostova the In KOSTROMU.


Example 1:
Event: In 1259 year Alexander Nevsky, kvalYofYokovanim in Rostov on the way from Novgorod in Vladimir.
Conclusion authors: Rostov is on road from Novgorod in Vladimir.

How that event and conclusion can cause a doubt in the atomic Novgorod?

Example 2:
Event: In Lireno year the great Prince Vasily Vasilyevich was broken under Rostov prince Mayor Yuri, after what escaped in Grand Novgorod, and made there - in Kostroma (river) and in Nizhny Novgorod.
In Lireno year, Prince Vasily Diagon becoming poidya from Moscow to Novgorod the Great and ottole - to Kostroma (river).
Conclusion authors: Grand NOVGOROD was ON twin-IZ MOSKVY In KOSTROMU, and also "NOVGOROD was ON twin-IZ Rostova In KOSTROMU.

To exploration geographical contradictions the authors them use description of events internecine war in the Moscow Russias:
In consisting year Prince Yuri has plundered Yaroslavl, Prince which supported Vasily Vasilyevich.
In Lireno year the great Prince Vasily Vasilyevich was broken under Rostov prince Mayor Yuri, after what fled to Novgorod.
After death of the Yuri, in Lireno year the great Prince Vasily becoming fled to from Moscow in Rzhevu then, through five, in Grand Novgorod, and made there (through eight weeks) moved on Msta River in Zavoloche and Bezhetsky Wierch, then, given trans-Volga Region, - in Kostroma (river). Then moved on Moscow, but in battle under River Kotorosl River (under of the City of Yaroslavl) he in 1435 year was defeated.
As these events can conflated Novgorod with of the City of Yaroslavl?
Is worth whether promoted, that fellow path from Moscow in Kostroma (river) policies--and have Vasily Bogolyubsky six months (Lireno-1435's?

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. ? wrote:

, Chapter 1. Where was in chronicle Grand Novgorod?
1.3. According to a range of evidence XVI century in chronicle Grand Novgorod was on Volga-, and not on Volkhov, Russia.
2. Taube and any
The authors Message , liflyandskie nobles, John Taube and Elert any have served in Oprichnina 26s Ivan Grozny. They were immediate participants debacle Great Novgorod oprichnikami. Describing a Pogrom Novgorod, Taube and any, report in particular, the next:
When he (Moscow tsar) reached known cities Novgorod he ordered kill 12 100,000 eminent people, men and brave women. That
Concerns until bezvestnykh poor artisans and simple people, then was their more 15 100,000. Much famous, river Volga, that In TWO YEARS HAS MORE, sorts of things BEFORE Pregel River AML Konigsberg, was so is filled with perish bodies, that turned in this place in color blood and should was stop have bridges [30].
So, Taube and any directly proclaim, that "NOVGOROD STOL ON Volga-. And that precisely in this famous BOLShUYu the river oprichnik honor threw so much dead bodies killed they novgorodtsev.
Assertion German oprichnikov about how, that Novgorod is worth on Volga-, so clearly and unequivocally, that to him it is difficult that any add.


It was worth would add, that the first bridge in Yaroslavlwas built in 1913, and bridge in Novgorodwas one of the oldest in Eastern Europe.

In "Message to Gotkhardu Kettleru from Taube and any"opisyvayutya so-same events, precede crusade:
Next winter took he area: Kostroma (river), Yaroslavl, Pereyaslavl, Halych, M8 highway (Russia)
and path oprichnikov in Novgorod:
Of Klinwent. In five in Torzhok-. In 89 Vyshny Volochek
's Bloodnut tyrant, having stayed 6 weeks in Novgorod, supply city and neighboring neighborhood more, than on 150 German miles loop, so that nothing not remained, arrived in Pskov, where began not less you get a little crazy.

http://www.kulturologia.ru/files/u16613/map.jpg

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Authors "New of chronology" in his the hypothesis hold back about size Novgorod and of the City of Yaroslavl in medium-size century.

. , , . 1985. wrote:

Outer rectangle size some Russians cities in mid-XII XIII digits On archeological data:
Novgorod about 200 hectares
Vladimir 145 hectares
Suzdal 49 hectares
Pereslavl Zalessky 40 hectares
Yaroslavl 3 hectares


Size of the City of Yaroslavl not allowed to place on his territory Vladychnyy yard, Vechevuyu Square, trade ranks, repair workshops, depots and camping on D. And camping on P. So Fomenko and Nosivskyi very identity Yaroslavl with vechevoy salient, and Grand Novgorod with Vladimiro-Suzdal Russ.

. ? wrote:

, Chapter 2 Compendium Grand Novgorod this Vladimiro-examples Russ, and roslavovo Dvorische Great Novgorod city Yaroslavl.
2.1. Grand Novgorod and Yaroslavl
By identifying in chronicle Grand Novgorod with Vladimiro-Suzdal Russ with center in city of Yaroslavl roslavovom Dvorische Great Novgorod we because of many contradictions in Russian history, associated with Grand Novgorod.

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. ? wrote:

2.9. Mr. Grand Novgorod this Vladimiro-examples Russ, body of cities around of the City of Yaroslavl

. Russians letopisi say about Commonwealth sword Novgorod , which sometimes even fought between themselves. These make ends were independent from each other, every had his chapter, its the seal. Every the end of the possessed specific areas in Novgorod earth. The entire Novgorod land was divided between the between pig--this. To Novgorod gramotam priveshivalos immediately several seals from each of the late! For example, on one of the oldest Administrative division of Novgorod of ratification hangs the different seals [1], camping on 1; [34], sec. 59. Afghan


Promoting Independent make ends Novgorod
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Koncy-Velikogo-Novgoroda.gif/246px-Koncy-Velikogo-Novgoroda.gif?uselang=ru

Map Administrative division of Novgorod / Provinces
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Piatiny.jpg/292px-Piatiny.jpg?uselang=ru
Borders areas in Novgorod earth passed on critical waters routes.

To decisions important issues representatives all Great Novgorod converged on one of dura bil i. Dura bil i in Greater Novgorod was, at least, two: At Yaroslavl yard and Sofia veche.


With immemorial since the Grand Novgorod arriving on two hand - WTO and orient yourself. Division backdrop were - on River Volkhov. On Trade sidesettled down Pereyaslav roslavo Dvorische and engage. The Kremlin and St. Sophia Cathedral are on opposite side rivers - on Sofia side.
Typically, on modern veche citizens intended in strictly laid place, however, in case serious discord, part of citizens disaffected accepted solution, drove forward in another place. In Novgorod veche sozyvalos have at Sophia Cathedral and on roslavovom dvorische (on Trade side).

has processed it was thought veche on Yaroslavl. Presumably, it was happening in city of Yaroslavl, where and was passed on of ratification of from Mr. Great Novgorod, on Yaroslavl yard. Incidentally, when speech commanded about city of Yaroslavl, before talked not In Yaroslavl as today, namely ON Yaroslavl.

Except vecha At Yaroslavl , in Greater Novgorod was still and the second Sofia veche Great Novgorod. This, likely, was city Vologda, County relatively not far from of the City of Yaroslavl. In Vologda until now is worth the cathedral St. Sophia Cathedral chief Cathedral cities. Is considered, that in the modern the form of his began to build Ivan Grozny in 1544 year [41], sec. 29. Perhaps, precisely in St. Cyril Belozero survived intact Kremlin, on Sofia yard great Novogoroda permanent third of Saviour .

Authors "New of chronology" forgotten outline in his the hypothesis way to use of this bells,.:yep:

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. ? wrote:

2.10. roslavovo dvorische (Yaroslavl yard) Great Novgorod city Yaroslavl
As we already said, famous roslavovo dvorische Great Novgorod this SAM THE Yaroslavl and, in particular, the renowned Yaroslavsky the Kremlin.

2.11. Yaroslavsky the Kremlin
Yaroslavsky Kremlin real capital the Kremlin, more accurately his the remnants of, perestroennye in the seventeenth-century and majority in . Before Jaroslavl the Kremlin was much more and was, likely, Police. According to our reconstruction, the old Moscow white-stone the Kremlin, initiate in annals this, as rule, and there is Jaroslavl the Kremlin. A modern city Moscow, according to our reconstruction, emerged only in the second half of XVI century. And before undertaken by the Moscow could to call, in particular, Jaroslavl the Kremlin. All the more that precisely Yaroslavl was then its capital of the Moscow state.


http://www.city-yar.ru/data/Unsorted/yar_r.jpg

, . . wrote:

, Chapter 3. Here sozdasya Glorious grad Yaroslavl
The outcome excavations not allow suggest, that initial population (X-XI centuries) on place of the City of Yaroslavl took entire territory the switch (about 3 hectares). Although in principle this could have place.
Currently we not in able give anything a viable and based on external relations materials reconstruction city planners and character developments most ancient of the City of Yaroslavl. BC BC Nicolaevici Voronin during excavations was discerned just one building, which he banked to layer's-XIII centuries


For comparisons:
Ryurikovo the hill-fort- predgorodskoe settlement in district Great Novgorod, in's century took Square 6-7 hectares.

http://se.uploads.ru/t/iCcQJ.jpg

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. ? wrote:

2.12. As historians try to explain explicit the remnants of powerful stone fortifications of the City of Yaroslavl, which, in their view, ostensibly never existed
Known, that in the seventeenth-century Yaroslavl was the second large city Russia, trailing largest only capital Moscow [24], sec. 7.

.. History of the City of Yaroslavl until the seventeenth-century's is dark. As and should be, if entire old history have of the City of Yaroslavl took and voted its (on paper) Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia.
From of darkness are apparent XVI century Yaroslavl quite suddenly crops up as a powerful a fortified THE, leaders software largest In JURISDICTION.


Will check calls for speculation Fomenko and Nosovsky) using data of archaeological treasures research:

Cultural tier Great Novgorod Minutes-17th centuriesranks territory 347 hectares, capacity cultural layer accounts for 8 forge the
Cultural tier of the City of Yaroslavl XI-the seventeenth-centuries- ranks territory 110 hectares, capacity cultural layer accounts for 3 forge the

http://sd.uploads.ru/t/PvcH1.jpg

Map cultural layer W. Novgorod
http://se.uploads.ru/cAhr4.jpg

Map cultural layer of the City of Yaroslavl
http://se.uploads.ru/E21ns.jpg

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Book Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land?
2.13. Traces novgorodskogo more smashing 1569 1570 s in Yaroslavl
All known a bloody a Pogrom Great Novgorod, CS oprichnikami in 1569 1570 s. During this more smashing was killed many local population. In particular, istreblyalis rich family novgorodskikh boyarsvictory, merchants and other affluent citizens. Data about including dead novgorodtsev strongly every person differs in various sources. But all converge in is, that on the streets Great Novgorod then died THOUSAND contend FABlANO, INCLUDING WOMEN And OF CHlLDREN.
When he (tsar) reached known cities Novgorod, alighted he in-quarters path from him in monastery ,-called Gorodishche, and ordered to impose city and all the streets, but on next day to capture all noble novgorodtsev.
river was so is filled with perish bodies, that turned in this place in color blood and should was stop have bridges.
Also tyrant, having stayed 6 weeks in Novgorod, supply city and neighboring neighborhood more than on 150 German miles loop, so that nothing not remained, arrived in Pskov [30].
Bioinformational abilities, found whetherlandfills victims novgorodskogo more smashing in Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia? There is no, for all time of a multi-year of meticulous work archeologists in volkhovskom Novgorod nothing, modicum as any correlative descriptions novgorodskogo more smashing, THAT is what And NOT Speedwagon NAYDENO.
Contrary, in Yaroslavl such specimens were REALLY OBNARUZhENY. ????, what was found in Yaroslavl,, transmission fits descriptions Geological more smashing. During excavations 2004 on Tiananmen just in 2665 square meters In unique with TsENTRE of the City of Yaroslavl was detected immediately several fraternal those of people from traces violent IN LOSS OF LIFE.
Under feeling was that found items archeologists even have local artist picturesque picture with stock image the Yaroslavl more smashing.
http://www.e-reading.by/bookimage.php?book=1022013&image=i_062.jpg
Fig. 62. Reconstruction the Yaroslavl more smashing on outcomes excavations 2004 2006 s. Picture artist Olega Fedorova. Historians, not understanding essence affairs, think, that a Pogrom in Yaroslavl waged a ostensibly evil tatarove in XIII century.


Ssylayas on testimony Taube and anyFomenko and Nosivskyi wrote, that oprichnik honor threw so much dead bodies killed they novgorodtsev in the river, and now suggest, that bodies the drowned were extracted from rivers, raised on a steep, the hill and hen house in center cities?

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Book Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land?
, Chapter 3 counterfeiting history and archaeology Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia
3.1. What the chronology arises from puff pie volkhovsko-novgorodskikh bridge bearings on fact
On rice. 68 may photograph raskopa, where are visible all twenty-eight strata old novgorodskikh bridge bearings. They perfectly persisted.
http://www.e-reading.by/bookimage.php?book=1022013&image=i_068.jpg
Fig. 68. Photograph raskopa
Wooden pavement, likely, nastilalis in volkhovskom Novgorod until of our, twentieth century. I.e. until the emergence of of black asphalt. It is difficult to imagine reasons, on which volkhovskie Novgorod suddenly suddenly decided knead for with their feet dirt instead of, to continue to laid such pavement.

Wooden pavement nastilalis in Novgorod until eighteenth century.

Medieval mesh streets Novgorod
http://www.plam.ru/hist/ocherki_istorii_srednevekovogo_novgoroda/i_028.jpg

In 1778 year, by the Decree Empress was approved a new master plan Novgorod. Ancient planning cities replaced by regular, instead ancient streets prolegli new, conducted on lineup, "holiday in history are.

Plan Novgorod in 1862 year
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In a result rearrangement Novgorod enforces the streets proved within quarters. Upper wooden bridge bearings were were under after disappeared and construction stone homes. A downside layers bridge bearings proved zakonservirovannymi under and the foundation homes 18 19 centuries.

neighborhoods 18 century and medieval mesh streets Nerevskogo of the late
http://www.novgorod.ru/images/1253.gif

3.1. What the chronology arises from puff pie volkhovsko-novgorodskikh bridge bearings on fact
``Our reconstruction genuine tree-ring dating volkhovskogo Novgorod such is. Roughly in XV century, and possibly and later, here fulsome a slight settlement. In the seventeenth-century, during the war with Sweden to, here had to build a small fortress. Place bolotistoe. The streets settlements needs gatit. Over time Corduroy road-pavement stocks down, were drowning in quagmire. Accounted for moisture to a new tier plakh, i.e. answered a. So lasted, likely, until 20th century. No causes ending the this activities, except the emergence of of black asphalt, not in sight. So recent layers bridge bearings can treat nineteenth or even the 20th century.


If on conceals above two meters is cultural tier nineteenth century, then in any layers are the 1960 homes the eighteenth century?

3.1. What the chronology arises from puff pie volkhovsko-novgorodskikh bridge bearings on fact
quotation of W. L. Ioannina: So, for 550 years education most ancient cultural layer with the mid-X century until the end of XV century here became one on the other twenty-eight 345 bridge bearings [50], sec. 16.
I.e., in their view, VERKhNIY SLOY VOLKhOVSKIKh bridge bearings dates from caused century.
As then writes academic W. L. Valentin Lavrent'evich Ianin, cultural tier in volkhovskom Novgorod rose since the late XV century on two Dam [50], sec. 16. I.e., upper tier bridge bearings was on dvukhmetrovoy conceals. On such conceals well could prove volkhovskaya roadway pre-war time.


Perhaps we will see wooden pavement on old the photo, and comparing buildings on them with modern photo uzhasnyomsya level naplastovaniy cultural layer?
http://album.foto.ru/photos/or/129616/1644466.jpg
http://album.foto.ru/photos/or/129616/1644467.jpg

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Book Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land?
, Chapter 3 counterfeiting history and archaeology Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia
3.2. Make historical datirovok cultural layer Volkhovsky Novgorod

As we already saw, according to historians, cultural tier in volkhovskom Novgorod naros on two Dam over the past 400 years, i.e. since the late XV century [50], sec. 16. But until this, in for half years, he returned why something In TWO YEARS HAS in a [50], sec. 16. Namely, Over five hundred fifty years, with the mid-X century until the end of XV century he grew here on FIVE Since and a half METROV [50], sec. 1516.
In our view, all of this evidence suggests, that Born today dating of cultural layer in volkhovskom Novgorod is wrong. Presumably, the entire the thickness of the "cultural layer narosla more or less evenly, or with some increase in speed, over the past 400 500 years.
And now consider how grew cultural tier around ostensibly one of the oldest facilities on Russias at Sophia Cathedral on Volkhov, Russia. Which, as us say, with XI century NO head NOT rebuilt and until of our time SOKhRANIL original SHAPE [31], sec. 53. It turns out, that for NlNE centuries around Cathedral was generated cultural tier, who the lower part of buildings on TWO YEARS metre Olympic record [31], sec. 54. I.e., ostensibly for 900 years around chief Cathedral volkhovskogo cities have not more than a two-meter cultural tier. But as we have seen, a two-meter tier in the center of the cities was generated just for 400 years [50], sec. 16.


outcome of archaeological and paleogeomorfologicheskogo studying:
http://new.chronologia.org/novgorod/im/cremlin01.gif

Territory Geological Kremlin had relatively chopped-up terrain. Was three of low being and ravine between them. Perepad heights comprised 6 forge theSt. Sophia Cathedral was resides on top being. Over time terrain terrain nivelirovalsya expense of cultural layer, and respectively - the depth of cultural layer accounts for 2 - 8 meters.

http://se.uploads.ru/t/MCoLv.jpg

According to authors them narostanie cultural layer should was occur so:

http://se.uploads.ru/t/1P8RV.jpg

3.2. Make historical datirovok cultural layer Volkhovsky Novgorod
Is obtained, that even if to believe adopted today of chronology cultural layer volkhovskogo Novgorod, will have dating an ancient St. Sophia Cathedral just XV century. And is by no means XI century.
In our view St. Sophia Cathedral built here even not in XV century, and just in the seventeenth-century. So and cultural tier around him naros on two Dam. Roughly on caught in a century.

Cultural tier for a hundred years:
http://temples.ru/library/000228/novgorod_3027b.jpg
http://culture.natm.ru/images/autouploads/full/5408160.jpg

3.2. Make historical datirovok cultural layer Volkhovsky Novgorod
Let's note, that the speed growth cultural layer studies claiming one meter in a century calculated by archeologists also on the basis of puff pie bridge bearings. Or, at least, consistent with relative Novgorod dendrokhronologiey.
So, stereotypical ago from 20th century roughly five hundred years cultural layer volkhovskogo Novgorod, we again get XV age as date his founding. And for at Sophia Cathedral get the seventeenth-age.


As same dating foundation of the City of Yaroslavl with of a cultural layer 3 Dam?

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, Chapter 4
To the issue about novgorodskikh datirovkakh A. A. Zaliznyaka and W. L. Ioannina

4.1. As volkhovskuyu berestu of the late the eighteenth century Valentin Lavrent'evich Ianin and Romanized Britons under successfully s and their XI century, udrevniv its on 700) years

What is dating of found in earth ancient hyphenated with mottos like, about which write A. A. Romanized Britons under and W. L. Valentin Lavrent'evich Ianin? A. A. Romanized Britons under and W. L. Valentin Lavrent'evich Ianin try to prove, that this the beginning of XI century.

http://www.e-reading.by/bookimage.php?book=1022013&image=i_070.jpg
Fig. 70. Leaf birch bark with stock image of sv. Barbarians on one of their sides.

Read date on birch bark, bluntly say, not very difficult. Typical handwriting the eighteenth more centuries, ordinary Arab figures HERE NAPISANO: 7282.
Not accounts for labor calculate, that given this on birch bark 7282 year in the usual chronology of means 1774 year BC Dora, so as 7282 5508 =1 774. I.e. the end of the eighteenth century!

http://www.e-reading.by/bookimage.php?book=1022013&image=i_071.jpg
Fig. 71. Date on page birch bark under stock image of sv. Barbarians.


counterfeiting authors them dates on birch bark is described in article A. Novikov By issue about datirovke birch bark with stock image saint Barbara.

Initial data about datirovke calligraphy on birch bark:

dating of Ioannina:
The first symbol of the number of 6,000, 's Slavic both the S (AWN2 / workspace6).
The second symbol of the number of 500, 's Latin both the D.
The third symbol of the number of 30, 's Slavic sign Lukashenka's behavior is (people).
The fourth symbol of the number of 7, 's Slavic both the inquiry (land).
Dating of: SDLZ =6 537 year on Byzantine era (1029 year BC Dora)

dating of Finn:
The first symbol of the Arab figure 7.
The second symbol of the Arab figure 2.
The third symbol of the Arab figure 8.
The fourth symbol of the Arab figure 2.
Fifth symbol of the number of 7, 's Slavic both the Z (land).
Dating of: 7282 year on Byzantine era (1774 year BC Dora
The latter figure the number of indikta year (I =7).

Fabrication drawing:
http://s02.radikal.ru/i175/1010/e4/405d5761ca30.jpg

1) spots (which NO on birch bark) Finn "dorisovany" shapes for obtain "-8 "and" Deuce "
2) fraudulent tail have "Deuce", and also isskustvenno created gap between "a" D "" and "magic eight ball"
3) here fraudulent tail, and erased leftist there's still a wall have symbol of a, to gain another "an" F ""
4) been doctored a squiggle (which NO on birch bark), to gain your scrawl on-point. On fact, this continuation of first symbol of a.

Why were made podlogi in Figure? A clear deal, this to was date, written by a as 7282. Almost 7282. More correctly - "7282 inquiry."
Clearer - Toll 2) made for obtain 5 numbers, not 4 as in original version, if who still not understood.

In conclusion will call attention, that in date on birch bark after the first-7 the bottom is worth a small a squiggle, presumably, .Adverbs point. This point-zakoryuchkoy are decoupled, presumably, senior discharges of - i.e. thousands of, - from rest numbers dates. Recall, that thousands of in dates, designated Arab figures, very often separate point from rest numbers. Incidentally, under records dates Church-Slavic figures point for secession senior discharges to the body not was used

Direct lies - no point there is no. For it was made point rigging 4). T. K. A squiggle-point there is separate an thousands of in Arab ciphers, but in consonant separator not such, then point 4) fraudulent with goal "convince" naive a hamster-reader, that this indeed record Arab, not Slavic figures. Truth, here still still one lies - separate an thousands of point in late 18 century (1774 year, as this predates Fomenko), already NOT applied, and very long.
On. Have Fomenko date 1774 recorded Arab figures, but in chronology of from "of Creation World." But after all before Present it was disinvited still in 1,700 year!

We say, that before Present on era "from Adam" was official in Russia until reforms Peter Napoleon I used But and after Russians people still long enjoyed these way, especially in church iaeoiaa. In some church editions and today can be meet years for this old Russian era.

Direct, and jobs implicit lies. In the usual iaeoiaa a new expense from R. H. Was all up to date virtually immediately. All the more in city of, outsiders in 200 kilometers from the capital. In church iaeoiaa also very quickly after 1,700 year (the introduction of accounts from R. H. In Russia) have gone on expense from R. H., this not have made only Russian Orthodox Old Believers. In todays church editions dates from creation world at all NOT are used, if this not Russian Orthodox Old Believers. However what Russian Orthodox Old Believers in Novgorod in 1774 year?! Later 74 years after change of system the , in 200 kilometers from capital empire Petersburg, in governorates of the Russian Empire city of - and who the writes old style?!

but, that adding indikta to date in a sense, makes its in more "-made ecclesiastical. " I.e. - appropriate the modeled datirovok, who was adopted in old Russians church books


Direct lies in eyes - never the in old Russians church books not out of our way together. Moreover, so indikt not originated never (one both the. Finally, in late 18 century record indikta was already exotics.

As known, them-adherents from skin ??? ?? ? ? climb, to prove to, that dendro-khrologicheskie the bridge bearings Novgorod need to shift the on 400 years later (15-19 century instead 10-15. But here is that's a shame. Beresta Barbara stomped out by archeologists between mostovymi, which back 11 century history (and so is and Beresta on date on it), and have Fomenko what the 1774. T. E. Beresta must was on the idea of is in layer exposed 15 century (and date back 15 century. And she have them dates from 18 century. 350 years divergences.

Add, that himself fact letters on birch bark in 18 century, when already all is famously wrote on paper, Finn bring to idiotizmam, there to the use of birch bark peoples the Norths and Russian Orthodox Old Believers. Beresta everywhere goes from use in 15 century - emerged bond. The use of birch bark in 18 century - scary... Exotic. And only have Orthodox Old Believers and peoples the Norths in the absence of paper (cases could. But what peoples the Norths and Russian Orthodox Old Believers in the center of the Novgorod in 1774 year?! And after all berestyanykh of ratification found not 1 and not 2! So that same - in late 18 century population Novgorod have written on birch bark?!

Now about the "neotrazimom" strike them about the second figures the Ioannina (" the drain on 500, 's Latin both the D "). Here Finn long izgalyalis, hollering about how, that prohibited from mix de, different digital system in calligraphy and it forgery Ioannina. But.
1) Sami forth went on such same "forgery" - in their datirovke why the 4 the first figures - Arab, and here is fifth "suddenly" Russian Church Slavonic language (ostensibly "Number indikta." Mixture of see two systems and no one not be troubled?
2) All the problem with the second figure in datirovke Ioannina in a moment, discharges from the carbon mass, if take its as Slavonic F (galotiri) -, too, 500 in Russian Church Slavonic language authored. And then the entire dating of Ioannina is famously points 1029 year and not need to them-relocated gorodit.

So, nomenclatures rigging and Shakaryan stated Fomenko:
1) Direct neodnokratnaya fabrication drawing with goal obtain and "new function" grinding halt after dates.
2) contradiction themselves - if they dates berestu 1774 year, how be with dating its layer (on them - 15 age)?
3) Cheat under records - themselves same mix two systems records numbers.
4) boot deception - people later almost a hundred years after change of system the , write dates old system.
5) People of the late 18 century on Finn, write on berestyanykh gramotakh.

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