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Here is he, the true Novgorod, sub-us)
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Ah not the to the true, simply many what Happy New Smoky called.

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Everyone would still not believe thus vkrytiyam errors of historical traktovok authors them. All the more they (apvtory them) and not insist on exceptionalism its version of. They simply offer one of options word itself of History. Someone suits, someone there is no. And me simply likes option them.

Reconstruction authors them Compendium Grand Novgorod this Vladimiro-examples Russ directed not so much on discredit Novgorod-on-Volkhov, Russia how many on Falsification historical role Novgorod republics in a whole.
Representing Grand Novgorod as deployed soldiers grasses cities in interfluve of Oka and Volga, the authors New Chronology bring all merit you cities to organizations, styling-- > > These on River Mologa (river).
That-same concerns safeguard northeastern Western Optim our country, then this (according to Finn) and doom fantasy historians. Dominance novgorodtsev in the Baltic Sea, political and military influence Novgorod Earth in Sweden, Finland and Norway not fits in hypothesis authors them; they suggest, that never was attempts to occupy Northeast Western Earth Russias neighboring states, on reason their incompetence.

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Everyone would still not believe thus vkrytiyam errors of historical traktovok authors them. All the more they (apvtory them) and not insist on exceptionalism its version of. They simply offer one of options word itself of History. Someone suits, someone there is no. And, of course, for those, whom not suits option them, aiiaeou (I only such read between the lines have oprovergateley) de his country - this's supreme there in the stratosphere. And me simply likes option them. And evidence authors them me is convincing more, than evidence opponents them. Have authors them more arguments and more better.


Fomenko and Nosivskyi not the only the authors New Chronology, there heap people and researchers. Google television mysteries. There is no, project the Civilization of the. Finn already long have become commercial project, but this raze not abolishes moreover that history rotten mifologizirovana and many consider that she much in short / szhatee than us tell-300 years ;)

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and what was something?

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http://sd.uploads.ru/t/X9NPS.jpg

From for it the entire choked boron

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Holy Guacamole. Thank you.
Ah and that now to do with MucmepX?
Weather his explanations

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Nu here is again. Mr. X (or Ha) only alone words.. Me theory them likes. Machinery is and quality evidence base.


Why-as the authors avoid reference about material evidence?
"Novgorodka" (a coin Great Novgorod) chekanilas in Novgorod-on-Volkhov, Russia or in Yaroslavl?

http://sd.uploads.ru/X9NPS.jpg
"Novgorodka" (1420-1478)

Last edited by MucmepX (Aug 15 2014 10:52:55)

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This is not proof of. This another assumption.

"Novgorodka" - this not assumption, this well material product from silver content. These coins only in gatherings Hermitage, State History Museum and Geological historical and-architectural Museum-preserve there are roughly 13 100,000 copies. On Facial side coin reveals with Votchina , takes gifts from there before him patron. On cheyin side the writing: Great Novgorod.

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I dont interestingly - where such a confidence in datirovke this money? Who datiroval? Scientists, well-mannered on, as the saying goes, obvious history?

Will repeat question without datirovok:
In period feudalistic party in different princedoms chekanilas own challenge coin.
The study of of rooms gives foundation argue, that most often appeal these coins had local character (within public education).
Where is-as chekanilas a coin "Great Novgorod"? In Novgorod-on-Volkhov, Russia or in Yaroslavl?

Approximate background borders local zones monetary disorder:
A - Administrative division of novgorod land-Pskov;
It comes - when;
In - Moscow;
G - Ryazan.

http://content.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/gegompa3/4/h-17.jpg

Last edited by MucmepX (Aug 18 2014 00:09:45)

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"Novgorodka"

The story the emergence of pittance
In 1534 Propulsion Arose the single Roman monetary system Russian state, River marked a completing a long process unification around Moscow above scattered princedoms (the so-called monetary reform Elena Glinska , mothers Ivan IV).
A new Roman monetary system was built on the basis of up mergers two the most powerful actually polymerizes depending systems of the late period feudalistic party Moscow and the Novgorod.
The Moscow denga, the scary in further name the coal tit , entered it from the former monetnoy system of the Moscow principality.
Novgorod denga, or, simply, novgorodka was set in as a the main and the most major units of (doubled more oppressive, than the coal tit ).
The coal tit received name sablyanitsa (on the coin was the horseman with ).
Novgorodka owing to elected for it images (horseman with spear), received name kopeynoy cashes , pittance. Name novgorodka persisted until petrovskogo time. Maloupotrebitelnoe " a penny saved is , it turned out in late all more overall, and has peaked until our days.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/__.jpg/300px-__.jpg
The first mentioning name kopeynoy cashes appeared already in annals, consider reform 1534 Propulsion:

St. Sophia vremennik, 1781 year (Full assembly Russians chronicles (complete Collection of Russian Chronicles)
Is 6. Sofiyskie letopisi).

The same summer 7043 (1781 year) sovereign Prince the great Ivan Vasilyevich of all the Russias, in third summer gosudarstva his, St. delati cashes srebryanye new on its name of, without taking any primesa from grivenki and (?) skalovye three hundred money Administrative division of Novgorod, and in Moscow's city the number of three ruble the Moscow would still and under great Prince Vasile Feodosia Fedorovna of Russia meantime banner on dengakh Prince big on Again, and possessing a sword in rutse, and Prince big Ivan Vasilyevich uchini banner on dengakh Prince big on Again, and possessing a spear in rutse, ottole prozvavsheesya money kopeynye.

Primechatno, that this saying Fomenko and Nosivskyi used in his book, pre kupirovav mentioning about money Administrative division of Novgorod, to not to lend comments their admirers about Novgorod monetnoy system (this extremely the inconvenient fact for reconstruction , built on domyslakh).

Patil the chronology RUSI. The head of the 14. Different.
19. As appeared image of the Georgy George ON RUSSlAN Coat of Arms of.
A under great Prince Vasily & Feodosia Fedorovna of Russia meantime banner on dengakh Prince the great on Again, and possessing a sword in rutse; and Prince the great Ivan Vasilyevich uchini banner on dengakh Prince the great on Again, and possessing spear in rutse, and ottole prozvasha money kopeynyya.

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. Me theory them likes. Machinery is and quality evidence base. Argumentirovannostyu. Have opponents nothing such a not met. So. Some that some as..


about foreign court yard in Novgorod
Permanent trade contacts Novgorod have led to create here in different times trade agencies... ""... of overseas and Russians merchants, where they lived, stored their goods, traded.
The first inozemnym a courtyard of in Novgorod was Gotha yard with Church saintly , based merchants islands People in the early XII digits
In late XII digits Was works German yard with Church saintly Peter, based German Mercantile class community.
German yard, so same as and Gotha, was in immediate neighborhood from Yaroslav of Yaroslav's Court, but to the east from him, contrary Nikolsky Cathedral and church Kisha e Shen Premtes (. Square each of disappeared not exceeding equilibrium 2000 square M.
In 1968 1970 devolving Were held archaeological research of overseas disappeared, those who gave concrete views about their arrangements and , process life merchants. Greater part of finds, collected on this for three years works, comprise objects an alien origin. Among them numerous fragments historically significant castles ceramics, shingles, various wooden objects with signs property Hanseatic merchants, schetnye jetton, bronze and wooden candlesticks, bone chess figures. Sensational has become finding the first Latin calligraphy on birch bark (Birch bark letter no. The diploma # 488).

the location Gotha (A) and the German (B) disappeared:
http://www.plam.ru/hist/ocherki_istorii_srednevekovogo_novgoroda/i_059.jpg
The archaeological material, the accumulated in a result years excavations in Novgorod, specify and complements specific findings recorded sources. Zapadnoevropeyskiy imports presented in Novgorod two groups by massive categories imports (silver and color metals, tissue, amber, shell products) and individual izdeliyami Western craftsmen.
The most mass category find themselves objects from color metals, collection which for around several thousands of.

West European specimens from excavations Novgorod:
http://www.plam.ru/hist/ocherki_istorii_srednevekovogo_novgoroda/i_060.jpg
Mass objects hanseatic imports meet almost everywhere. Individual objects West European origin are being identified only on sadibakh rich novgorodskikh boyarsvictory or on sadibakh merchants.

Fomenko and Nosivskyi recognized in the results of archaeological treasures excavations contradictions traditional history, which eliminated "kollichestvennoy, quality and augmented evidence base":

Book "Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land? "1.1. That we know about Greater Novgorod from chronicles
As is considered, Grand Novgorod was on crossroads main trade pathways of the time. However, excavation ,-destroy operations already many years in modern Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia, unambiguously show, that city this NEVER NOT VOLUME meeting lively WORLD TRADE.

Curtain!

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Book Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land? Fomenko A. T. And Nosivskyi G. W.
1.1. That we know about Greater Novgorod from chronicles
All known famous Novgorod veche. According to annals, it was happening on so-called Yaroslavl Yeah (or, as like to speak historians, ROSLAVOVOM dvorische) the Novgorod. Ironically, archaeologists so and not can find in the modern Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia even the vestiges of this znameniteyshego seats.

Historical an architectural complex roslavovo Dvorische and Torg in Greater Novgorod:
http://img-2.photosight.ru/d4a/3140115_large.jpeg
http://eco-turizm.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Velikiy-Novgorod-Volga.jpg
Church Wives Of Mironosits on Dvorische :
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Mironositsy_churche.jpg/640px-Mironositsy_churche.jpg?uselang=ru
roslavovo dvorische gained its name named of the Jaroslav, named for. First time this word mentioned even in River) letopisi under 1149 year, that excludes the likelihood arise this Tyrol in ties with name another Russian of the.
Until Jaroslav Mudry - former Princes since Ruric lived, typically, on Gorodishcheabout Novgorod.
However, in period novgorodskogo of governing of Jaroslav, knyazhiy yard troops in drying cities, on Trade side Volkhov, Russia.

Novgorod III the Contemporary, 50026 year
Grand Prince Jaroslaw lived on Trade side near rivers Volkhov, Russia, where now Church Kamienna Nicholas revered, I'm and hitherto slovet Yaroslavl dvorische.

With tuition in XII century in Novgorod feudalistic republics, power of the is limited to and he again moving in on Gorodishche, which becomes constant his residence of (where was works prince's Palace, numerous homes for vigilantes, church, predecessors for build).
In 1113 year on place the former princely residence (on roslavovom Dvorische) was builds Stone St Nicholas Cathedral, which and became subsequently the main tendency with a temple Novgorod. Before one of his inputs and intended modern veche.

St Nicholas Cathedral on roslavovom Dvorische:
http://novgorod.rgo.ru/files/2011/02/6.jpg
printed portal to worsen exhibition court and bell tower Nikolsky Cathedral:
http://im3.turbina.ru/photos.4/9/7/9/1/7/1671979/big.photo/Velikiy-Novgorod-Yarosla.jpg

The remnants of affordable: Palace on Jaroslav were discovered a professor A. W. Artsikhovskim in the course excavations 1947 1948, on between portal Tower exhibition court and bell tower St. Nicholas the (in archeological layer exposed XI century.
Period novgorodskogo of governing of Jaroslav marked by the issuance of in Novgorod some of first on Russias silver coin coins - pieces of silver. On one side was image of the of sv. Georgy (Christian patron Jaroslav), on the other Karmapas a badge of Rurikovich and the writing: Yaroslavl silver.

of Novgorod piece of silver XI century
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http://www.sobiratel.net/files/thumbs/t_4348_1365272793.jpg
During excavations in Novgorod, in 1994, archaeologists found lead the seal Jaroslav Mudry, suspended once to princely letter missive. On one its side are portrayed of sv. Georgy with spear and a shield and his name, on the second people in dust jacket and helmet, with studded the mustache, and also calligraphy on sides from pogrudnoy figures: Jaroslaw. Prince Angliyskiy.

Print Jaroslav Mudry
http://www.e-reading.pw/illustrations/137/137788-i_010.jpg

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Book Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land? Fomenko A. T. And Nosivskyi G. W.
1.5. That today are piled on top historians in as a Vladychnogo court Great Novgorod
http://www.e-reading.by/bookimage.php?book=1022013&image=i_030.jpg
Fig. 30. Ostensibly Vladychnyy yard Great Novgorod in the modern city of Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia. Such yard can be find almost in any old Russian city of.

From late 1930s history Great Novgorod we many we've heard so much about celebrated the Novgorod Vladychnom yard. This was yard novgorodskikh's emperors 's archbishops. Precisely they, according to annals, a long time were polnovlastnymi masters of Great Novgorod. Of Novgorod Archbishop had huge influence not only in really Greater Novgorod, but and across Russias. He possessed blessed riches. From chronicles we know, that on Vladychnom yard novgorodskikh's archbishops troops their magnificent Palace and many other buildings. What same traces remained from luxurious uniquely powerful-novgorodskogo Vladychnogo court in Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia?
Essentially affairs NO. Centimeters. Rice. 30 higher.


Vladychnyy yard. Grand Novgorod.
http://s60.radikal.ru/i170/1006/d5/bd86de64174bt.jpg
lncrease this

Vladychnyy yard ranks around a quarter territory Geological has - this Square more 3 hectares (total area Detinets (disambiguation) within walls has 12.1 hectares).

Vladychnyy yard. The fragment plan Novgorolskogo has (Detinets (disambiguation))
http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/01/51/16/76_big.jpg

From ancient architecture Novgorod had mainly valery buildings. Meanwhile in medieval city of among numerous tesnyaschikhsya to each other wooden voters and teremov stood and stone civil facilities.
Dynamics construction stone facilities Vladychnogo court with married Anna Vizantijskaya about 960 on 1670 year.
http://mtdata.ru/u26/photo6DC6/20990893796-0/big.jpeg
http://mtdata.ru/u16/photo8F5E/20831955046-0/big.jpeg

Research Vladychnogo court authors New of chronology confined to studying the photos excavations two stone homes XIV century, near Fedorovskoy towers:

http://s43.radikal.ru/i101/1308/97/b2cfd3100fb6.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i607/1308/5c/73b94f4aba59.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i607/1308/fc/fa336659765b.jpg

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Book Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land? Fomenko A. T. And Nosivskyi G. W.
1.5. That today are piled on top historians in as a Vladychnogo court Great Novgorod

Granovitaya (Vladychnaya) Chamber Geological has, ONE IZ SAMYKh remarkable equipment, newest member states coincide in composition Vladychnogo court, and EDINSTVENNOE his the building, doshedshee until of our time. Novgorod the Contemporary consisting year reports: S beaches were among Togo same summer POSTAVI Rev. betrothed has lord has Eufimey polatu in yard have themselves: And dveriy she has 30; and may did nemechkyi from Zamorya, with Republic of Novgorod mastory .
Modern a picture of an this masterpiece Russian of architecture of XV century, with 30-defective doors , for construction which it took joint efforts novgorodskikh and vulnerable from abroad German craftsmen, we mainline on rice. 31. But this the most the usual home the seventeenth- nineteenth centuries. Such homes in Russians cities very many.
http://www.e-reading.by/bookimage.php?book=1022013&image=i_031.jpg
Fig. 31. A slight the building in Kremlin-detintse modern cities Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia, certification historians for the Granovituyu house Vladychnogo court Great Novgorod. But no facets on his walls there is no and, judging by around the, never was.

Presumably, Granovitaya Chamber Vladychnogo court Great Novgorod with thirty doors, indeed, there was an. But only not in Novgorod on Volkhov, Russia, and somewhere quite in another place. Likely in Yaroslavl, i.e. in the present Greater Novgorod.


Granovitaya Chamber a monument architecture XV century, built in-style brick Gothic, situated on territory Vladychnogo court in the Novgorod Detintse. Is one of worlds oldest retire decades civilian buildings Russias. The building been included in list monuments worldwide heritage UNESCO.
http://i.novgorod.ru/news/images/48/94/9448/slider_9448.jpg
http://cdn1.img22.ria.ru/images/75571/80/755718077.jpg
Initially Vladychnaya Chamber, built from brick, was surrounded open gallery, typical for gothic buildings, its commentators lancet high windows, in interior waged outlets with luchkovym some types. Picturesque work were met in 1441 Propulsion Unfortunately, in subsequent century the building outside and within has significant changes.
http://53news.ru/images/stories/cultura5/palata/2.jpg
A downside floors houses of have served for economic agents goals, were used in as a sources of, theater can, table chambers. Hall upper building had ceremonial appointment, where former lords could to accept guests, prizes gifts, telling sessions, spirit meal, greeted ambassadors.

Name houses of Granovitaya appeared in peer-approved publications in the first half of nineteenth digits From-for features of decorative formalizing the arches Gothic nervyurami - sides.
http://www.rutraveller.ru/icache/place/14942_603x354.jpg

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MucmepX wrote:

Granovitaya Chamber a monument architecture XV century, built in-style brick Gothic, situated on territory Vladychnogo court in the Novgorod Detintse.

modern replica 17 century

Unfortunately, in subsequent century the building outside and within has significant changes.

What month)
In lower Novgorod such a same strikes, the Kremlin constantly is undergoing changes. In the early 20 century put up a top and rooftop, in the early 21 century a new tower zapindyurili.

#p47899,MucmepX wrote:

Example consideration such the publication there is in topic Novgorod.

're lying. Here is you the film, in offense set arguments, not example, and arguments, oprovergay.
Mister Grand Novgorod Who You the film 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyS-Ui1Zbss
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#p47917,Dmitry" wrote:

Ourfather's dead. Here is you the film, in offense set arguments, not example, and arguments, oprovergay.
Mister Grand Novgorod Who You the film 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyS-Ui1Zbss


Arguments, reiterates in movie more detail considered in book. Possible along on one.

http://iknigi.net/books_files/covers/thumbs_150/gospodin-velikiy-novgorod-75921.jpg

Book "Mister Grand Novgorod. With Volkhov, Russia or with Volga went Russian land? "
http://www.e-reading.by/book.php?book=1022013

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#p47955,Kzin" wrote:

I himself personally sat Egypt in excavations Artsikhovskogo in Nerevskom street corner, when were found's of ratification of, coin some Bruno Third. Most interesting was in really lower layer exposed, where were found clothes heap coins and on him s and their the first tier and respectively age Novgorod. This was falshak 100% with crunch ranks and geshefta historians.


In other layers, too, were coinage specimens, confirmatory dating strata.

http://4put.ru/pictures/max/0/2895.jpg

Not irrespective the from dating on finds coins and seals, done dating strata dendrokhronologicheskim method and was regarded land fires on yarusam (fires, described in the with the territory izvestiyakh, have left traces on wooden bridge bearings and are).

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Studied under in the Novgorod guy from the tech, can be was year practice undergo on excavations. Friends that produced its, found on conceals 2-3 meters's of ratification of, coin, inventory, Wall buildings. Did far-sighted "khistoriki" for few years until this buried increasingly, and then discovered?

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#p47967,MucmepX wrote:

In other layers, too, were coinage specimens, confirmatory dating strata.

Not irrespective the from dating on finds coins and seals, done dating strata dendrokhronologicheskim method and was regarded land fires on yarusam (fires, described in the with the territory izvestiyakh, have left traces on wooden bridge bearings and are).


And you realize, that coin you raze not can dating? On them dates began to buy tonigts drinks only with 16 century and the not everywhere.
Dendrochronology only theoretically can be interesting. On practice can be otdatirovat years 100-200. T. K. Trees older 200 years you not find, and, without this not will be no calibration.

1998 I in the Novgorod guy from the tech, can be was year practice undergo on excavations. Friends that produced its, found on conceals 2-3 meters's of ratification of, coin, inventory, Wall buildings. Did far-sighted "khistoriki" for few years until this buried increasingly, and then discovered?


Read this forum, theme pro important heritage sites with sand. There the entire Russia was is registred layers undercoat different thickness virtually in an instant. The same Hermitage is worth immersed in ground sediment 2-3 Dam depth.

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#p47987, wrote:

There the entire Russia was is registred layers undercoat different thickness virtually in an instant. The same Hermitage is worth immersed in ground sediment 2-3 depth.

Pro floods in St. Petersburg information many, and here is pro grandiose floods in Novgorod not met.

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#p47987, wrote:

Read this forum, theme pro important heritage sites with sand. There the entire Russia was is registred layers undercoat different thickness virtually in an instant. The same Hermitage is worth immersed in ground sediment 2-3 depth.

Here as something met speculative piece-hypothesis what about the contained sand: this relatively

the Cayman kill Verde this center hoppers, caused when faced giant an asteroid away with planet Earth. ????, what is denoted by abbreviation for the Sah-him, Median the Atlantic Ranges, polukoltsom skirts around place strike.

In moment clashes with planet asteroid fully has broken up just. He 2006 a trillion of particles molten quartz, moreover the most contained sand, that covered the planet blood cloud, 4,000 sq.meters. the sun and by reversing climate.

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