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Claire wrote:

Soon will emerge Lvovska bank respublika?)

She already emerged, only virtually, in networks. And chosen by the flag nor on that not hinting:
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Claire wrote:

Catalonia has spoken for separate from Spain

How many will votes "for", if ask question "going whether you go to war with when and their supporters?""not will and percent.
In deneer, incidentally, will little more.
Until implementation these surveys-referenda in the form of war mrazyam still as on foot until the sky. All will only for legal-protocol forms.

And perishing if ask question "you for removal of annual standoff" Barcelona "and" million "in national championship and of the match?", then here and militarists vote not civilians even dare.

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Claire wrote:

We get back in white project, in RI 2.0.

Wasn this not one of the main ideo-anchor of "general arrangement design" mrazyukov from vnematritsy, spiritual skrep for Russian world, along with other color, red and orange projects - http://www.rus-obr.ru/opinions/3052. He same "the White project Strelkova" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LGW071cjEA. Of the herd already have moved each on other. But again, alas, only virtually

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Me seems, that all these referendums (as me seems) - this phase team people (not know as in other countries) toward solving global fate population in SUPER global issue (type-who will for all world)

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Claire wrote:

They and must were move virtually. Not know where you took that must be the third world war and like. Until my forecasts disappointed, Your not disappointed, this means only one thing - you live in world their fantasies. So case.

This my forecast: That have scum nothing not tickles, how many nor infusing hatred "ukropov" with "vatnikami."

Claire wrote:

Oh genplanakh there are some mrazyukov I notions not mean, mean understanding of about regaining the to the idea of quasi-the Russian Empire, about which I already wrote on days on Forum. And this and there is the main idea pereformata world, button economic system. And precisely for this ideas created precedent for secession Federal State of Novorussiya, precisely for this were made numerous installation Russo-Ukrainian war, including grabovskuyu. For secession Federal State of Novorussiya and annexation its to trades abroad (until trades abroad or not, still cannot be say certainly).

We return in white project, in RI 2.0. Separate Catalonia - aid in this project. As all world built the USSR, so all world are building Russian empire. And naturally installation raze not separately from this.


Means, you mumping the putrefying installation, mrazotnye installation with "luganskimi madonnami", "kukurudzami", pile corpses people, missing in Russia and Ukraine, and practical killings he-layn in House Trade Unions under tysyachebotnyy of "kill fascists", "bander", "separatists" incisions for great ideas? For quasi-the Russian Empire, pereformata world and button economic system?

Good idea, sake of is need to people to gut, compositions of them to do and endlessly lie to, lie to, lie to.

I on those, who this makes, 'm with other hand, and hence they precisely scum.

Андрей wrote:

“I don’t seems, that all these referendums (as me seems) - this phase team people (not know as in other countries) toward solving global fate population in SUPER global issue (type-who will for all world)


All bonfires, which managed light up and pitch blood in the same the USSR, charging on prepared "platforms" - in borders enclaves, Kaohsiung (and before - inhabited) precisely so, to they have become place for bloodshed (Osh, Sumgait, Karabakh, Transdniestria, Abkhazia with South-Ossetia, I-Ingush SSR with pridelannymi to it Russians areas). The same done in Yugoslavia. Ukraine in current borders so same was made absolutely deliberately, with Russian HC Donbass Donetsk-Mass Media on Crimea.
The same is done many years in neighborhoods with Kurds in Iraq, Syria, Turkey. Pro Africa simply keep our mouths shut.
This universal technology.
Current, durom advertised and artificially razduvaemye referendums about independence moreover or another enclave, national, konfessionalnogo - one of many funds have a crush these fires, along with's disco, killings landmark figures, working religious administration, creation of artificial ethnicities and camping on D.
But now most of these practices not works.

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Why Catalan want secession from Spain?
Unlike Countries Basque region push and of Navarra, whose tax relations with state regulated by the appropriate provincial traditional systems, and also Canary Islands islands, Ceuta and ud Melilla, for whom law envisages there was particular conditions, Catalonia, as and all the rest autonomous area, not has own fiscal autonomy.

Experts say, that Catalonia is region with more industrial development, than sredneevropeyskoe and the Spanish with strong industrialize, touristic – should be facilitated and economic sectors, and own a strong financial system. Industrial activities ranks a significant stance in the economy Catalonia, and especially in chemicals, food, energy, metallurgical and sector transportation technology. In recent same years shrift special attention knowledge economy and logistics, the main activities the most developed countries where Catalonia clearly ranks lagging positions. Catalonia also is often is the question "is destination many tourists, accepting in 2012 15 million visitors.
Barcelona. (Europe Press) -. Dr. economic Sciences from IQS Santiago Nino Becerra reminded in this Tuesday 11.12.2012, that in Catalonia there is deficit in the budget, because roughly 14,000 - 18,000 million Catalonia obviously in Madrid and these money already not are returning, which, in his view, must be potrebovany: “Main cliche demonstrations September 11, for independence Catalonia must was be phrase the former Prime Minister of England Margaret Thatcher:“ I want my money ago '(I want regain their money). "

On question, will be whether this benefits Catalonia become an independent state, Nino responded that if these money would be to return in Catalonia (Autonomous Community) the in separate not will need: “But if for moreover that would to this cut, Catalonia must secession, Catalonia this will make. Independence already not political aim, and tool. " Nevertheless, Nino Becerra said, that Spain is "ballast-" for Catalan economy. Pujol, former President autonomy, confirmed the that Catalonia not benefits in current conditions under Spanish obremeneniyakh.

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Perhaps, two raznonapravlennykh process. With one hand continuation of globalization (China, trades abroad), with the other disintegration, camping on K. In world crisis and people want seal, protect its, "on all not ?????."

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Claire wrote:

~ Message from ~ the city dweller::
Means, you mumping the putrefying installation, mrazotnye installation with "luganskimi madonnami", "kukurudzami", pile corpses people, missing in Russia and Ukraine, and practical killings he-layn in House Trade Unions under tysyachebotnyy of "kill fascists", "bander", "separatists" incisions for great ideas? For quasi-the Russian Empire, pereformata world and button economic system?

Naturally.

Before you regarded that scum-separately, policy and all other affairs-separately. Something happened?


On mraziynye affairs with corpses - luganskie, and Kherson, ETS, as and on killings he-layn - all, maydannye. 'm with hand people. Make and support their the creature, in nature have games sing this dominant structure of. Policy these affairs support and mounts, because all as there is tvarnye. All simply. Differently not believe and not believed.

About here is this

Claire wrote:

It's totally something this and goes enough good rapid pace. We return in white project, in RI 2.0. Separate Catalonia - aid in this project. As all world built the USSR, so all world are building Russian empire. And naturally installation raze not separately from this.

correct, that there is no such goals and excuses, sake of which should to accept and welcome tvAryaschiesya in Luhansk, Odessa and camping on D. Mrazotnye affairs.

But this again same only human view. Have generation she directly opposite, the single assessment here impossible.

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Claire wrote:

Perhaps tell, will you then as differently manage world?

I have no this tvarnogo desires.
On-humanely as themselves to wage - this I’d say. Try to build human relations people between themselves outside and without matrixes, where this perhaps and how perhaps.

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Claire wrote:

Nu as, as specifically something try to build) How same do to all was well? (With)

Skyfall distinguish people creatures. Differently not make.

Claire wrote:

And far importantly to do with my all those "creatures and of rotten"

Fuck will Frozen Cocktails creatures, until forced to pretend to be people. And for people importantly in their games begin not could engage

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Claire

On Borodayu challenged, like there is no. And here is according to ball-peen there is.

speaker People Council of Lugansk People's Republic: Woodwork not claimed about referendum about joining the trades abroad


Link

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Claire wrote:

~ Сообщение от ~ горожанин ::

    Наводить человеческие отношения людям между собой вне и без матриц, где это возможно и насколько возможно.

Claire: "Ну как, как конкретно-то наводить?)) Как же сделать чтоб всем было хорошо? (с) "



Люди сами могут обьединяться (без посредников) на базе общих бытовых проблем,только ни в коем случае людям нельзя лезть в политику,партии и пр.Политика-это конек тварей.

Например такие обьединения людей:семей многоквартирного дома,автовладельцев,жильцов общежитий,дольщиков,волонтеров и др.

Антон как-то писал про то,как жители многоквартирного дома отбились от ЖКХ-мафии путем официального отказа от участия в "выборах".
"В Барнауле из-за коммунального рэкета люди отказались от участия в выборах АКЗС, Госдумы, президента" http://maxpark.com/user/1681372848/content/851497

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Claire wrote:

No such spheres in our life where would not was present policy. This illusion that can be there "not crawl." You live in sotsіumі, you patients feel on itself impact a rash of global systems, and, of course, in them enters policy. “If you not are interested in policy, this is even not means, that policy not interested in you ” (W. Churchill)

All the more this utopia any - to live in his little world, but under this enjoy the goods civilization, and to live in a common economic, historical, cultural paradigm. So not case. Clever your way out no one not manages. Either you living on backyard svoєyu and're appealing to themselves with the thought that you in this "not s", either you acknowledge that pikeperch element of svoєyu and peace and're trying to themselves realize and as something influence this entire pornography, let’s take on themselves responsibility. Another path simply there is no.

That forces you to live in "a common economic, historical and cultural paradigm is needed"? Thought not grasp, that this for such a "paradigm" and to what she obliges?
And as from this what-would something no Chiyo-was should what is needed to participate in some political by the like parties, referenda or that even you implies under "the participation in politics"?

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Ah at all as would without policy can be to live - but this will require destroy entire technogenic civilization on our planet and to return to "obschinnomu" authoritarianism life.

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Отец Фёдор wrote:

What forces you to live in "a common economic, historical and cultural paradigm is needed"? Thought not grasp, that this for such a "paradigm" and to what she obliges?
And as from this what-would something-nor-was should what is needed to participate in some political by the like parties, referenda or that even you implies under "the participation in politics"?

I nor on what elections not go... I go - for know, that there likely increasingly until us stupid. Referenda and Political Party - this, too, distribution for Lokhov.

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Eugeny wrote:

Nu at all as would without policy can be to live - but this will require destroy entire technogenic civilization on our planet and to return to "obschinnomu" authoritarianism life.

I recognized feel, as on something great made attempt. That such this sacred cows - "policy", that without it raze not live in tekhnogennom world? And himself importantly further speak, that without it well need to charge.

And as refusal from all goods civilization and a return to "obschinnomu" authoritarianism can help?

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Claire wrote:

How what forces - itself life in sotsіumі and forces. If you deny modern economic relations between people, if you deny cultural relations between people, some historic legacy - you hardly prizhivetes to exemplified sotsіumі. You's gonna throw or to the fringes to frikam or at all somewhere in forests.

I cannot deny what not understand. Not need to me to this telling)
We are talking about of modernity - understood. Suppose, economy abide. Between people, groups people can be built the most different economic relations: Buy it-sell-rent an and camping on P. To some specific form relationships like no one community. To engagement precisely to concrete people, too,. Coverage.Let's what like it or relations with whom like it or - dream simply. Returning to the "paradigm is needed", in society adopted for services and goods to lend papers - this of course more fundamental component. But, let, with here participation in politics? In short not understand, in fix such a need to participate, to not prove "in the forest with" freaks ",."
Culture and history - even more blanket environment. In general, thought "ah-yes all in policy" not be revealed.

Claire wrote:

you worldwide.Would entirely and fully in construction world, in his effluents. And Vasha energy is used and headed. So here is, closing, this illusion that can be will sit and with hand on this all look, create any their type fuel society. Vnesistemnoe community can be only one thing - outside svoєyu on full his securing. But this a return precisely that to primal-obschinnomu authoritarianism and a sharp lower of civilizational level development. Although and such marginalized are in plenty. If you auctioning the wish to live in sotsіumі, you will have solve for themselves - either you in fact agree with the existing system and retreat, all, in side, type not wanting to get dirty, but under this buoyed by its goods, that already essentially all so duplicitous, either you change your Trees its and the existing although would around you world order.

No system not can intervene in the, what relations you build with decente you people. System, naturally, manufacturalafirm their members in their purposes and, contingent speaking, "collects tribute", conditional support, because that this is not only and not so much taxes. But the crux of the not in this. Even times, I not urge to leave society and to abandon all traditional and netraditsionnakh types of relationships between people. Simply under "paradigm" can be understood increasingly, that anywhere. Of course, policy - part of System-. I spoke about how, that utterly not necessarily to participate specifically in political choreographers. No obvious good even within System-this, likely, will not bring. Illusion - this the, that this spectacle as something affects device System-or, not let-god, suffice with its governance. On that she affects not obviously. Likely she this a byproduct of System-, not moreover.

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Власти Испании хотят сорвать референдум

В Каталонии 1 октября должен пройти референдум о независимости региона от Испании. Власти страны считают его незаконным — однако в Барселоне отказываются признавать соответствующее решение испанского Конституционного суда. 20 сентября испанские силовики начали обыски и аресты в каталонских органах власти — а для того чтобы не допустить проведения референдума, в Барселону прибыли десятки тысяч полицейских со всей страны.

Напряжёнка нарастает
http://images.vfl.ru/ii/1506718739/129e424a/18797676.jpg

Если Каталония объявит себя независимой, то признают ли её Абхазия, Ю.Осетия, ЛНР и ДНР, вот в чём вопрос... ))
Если Россия начнёт давать оружие Испании для АТО, то будет ли США поддерживать Каталонию ?
Сможет ли Франция или Англия взять "Барселону" в свои чемпионаты ? Португалия точно брать не будет, а про "Эспаньол" и речь молчит, словно такой команды не существует.
экспертам есть где развернуться с кривыми аналогиями

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Оказывается, происходящее в Испании  1я в мире Интернет-война.

По словам основателя WikiLeaks, граждане и правительство Каталонии используют интернет для организации референдума о независимости, а испанская разведка проводит информационные атаки, замораживая телекоммуникационные сети, оккупируя здания связи и подвергая цензуре сотни сайтов и интернет-протоколов.
Ассанж характеризует происходящее вокруг референдума о независимости Каталонии как самый масштабный конфликт на Западе между людьми и государством с момента падения Берлинской стены.
Он называет это первой настоящей интернет-войной в истории человечества.

Тем интереснее будет наблюдать.

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Интересный референдум. Для увеличения богатства каталонцев, наверное. Что-то похожее было на Украине при развале СССР. Тоже ведь много обещали тогда. По факту же обогатились отдельные кланы, а народ стал зарабатывать меньше.
  Итак, что же происходит по теории "горожанина"? Твари и нелюди создали очередную долгоиграющюю точку противостояния. На повестке дня- местечковое кровопролитие и бойня людей. Каталонцы от этой возможной заварухи не получат никаких бонусов. Смотрим.

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